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The Chair will draw attention to the emergency evacuation procedure as set out under Note 7.


The Democratic Services Officer read out the emergency evacuation procedure as set out on the agenda.




There were no apologies.



At this point in the meeting declarations of interest are received from Members in any of the agenda items under consideration at the meeting. Members are asked to indicate:

(a) The agenda item number in which they have an interest to declare.

(b) The nature of their interest.

(c) Whether their interest is a disclosable pecuniary interest or an other interest,  (as defined in Part 2, A and B of the Code of Conduct and Rules for Registration of Interests)

Any Member who needs to clarify any matters relating to the declaration of interests is recommended to seek advice from the Council’s Monitoring Officeror a member of his staff before the meeting to expedite dealing with the item during the meeting.


There were no declarations of interest.



The Chair will announce any items of urgent business.


The next meeting was scheduled for 28th July 2022.  It was noted that this needed to be earlier in the month. 


RESOLVED that the next meeting be on Thursday 14th July 2022 at 4.30pm.


In respect of the meeting scheduled for 1st December 2022, the external auditor explained it needed to be in November to meet the deadline.


RESOLVED that the meeting scheduled for 1st December 2022 take place earlier on 24th November 2022 at 4pm.




There were none.



To deal with any petitions, statements or questions from Councillors and, where appropriate, co-opted and added Members.


There were none.


MINUTES - 3RD FEBRUARY 2022 pdf icon PDF 304 KB


RESOLVED that the minutes of the meeting held on 3rd February 2022 were confirmed and signed as a correct record.



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Peter Barber (Grant Thornton) presented the report.  He explained that Ann Graham joined him at the meeting as she had worked on the report.  This had been the first year of the new Value For Money (VFM) approach.  This year there was more detail on the financial detail, governance, economy, efficiency and effectiveness.  He outlined key recommendations which looked at how effective the arrangements were.  He highlighted that they needed to report in a timely manner.  Sophie Morgan-Bower (Grant Thornton) also present, she was the audit manager for BANES.  He expected to bring the report this year by December.


He stated 2021 had been a strange year with Covid and BANES had a massive £42 million budget gap from forecast loss of income.  However, things had improved with the financial recovery plan.  The Council had returned a surplus and had some key reserves for the future.  The reason for the success was a quick response to the pandemic identification of revenue savings and additional government grant.  The return to normality was increasingly important.


An issue for BANES was financial resilience and the direct school budget (DSG) was a problem.  BANES had good levels of savings but it would be harder to find more.  Careful budget management was necessary and prioritisation would be a challenge..  Vacancies were being held as an interim measure and there would need to be workforce plan decisions as to what posts need to be recruited into.


Ann Graham outlined that the Council had handled Covid 19 well dealing with it flexibly.  She made the following points:


·  The new corporate strategy in February 2020 was revisited later in the year, with a reliance on emergency decision-making and the Council response had been effective

·  Improvement recommendations are risk governance, improving the way risk is reported making it more visible.  There was an opportunity to raise the profile and get a view of the bigger picture

·  As regards whistleblowing, which happens, there were opportunities to refine the process so Councillors get a good perspective

·  With complaints and feedback, residents said there was too much documentation to wade through

·  For Treasury Management there was a need to improve clarity of reporting with a best practice update on an annual basis. 

·  For performance management there was a new framework coming with KPIs linking this together with objectives

·  Contract management, there needed to be key themes across the public sector with managers managing contract appropriately from big to small

·  With economy, efficiency and effectiveness the External Auditor had interviewed key senior people in the authority and it was evident that it was a continuing journey

·  It was noted that financial reporting from period end to publication has improved with reports aligned to the quarterly reporting cycle and published 4-5 weeks from the period end.


During questions the following issues arose:


·  Vacancy management (Cllr Furse) – money was saved over a long period but the ability to deliver and efficiency was damaged

·  Capital management – using cash flow for our projects rather than  ...  view the full minutes text for item 8.



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Peter Barber (Grant Thornton) presented the report which set out the audit plans for the Council and Avon Pension Fund.  He outlined the headlines – ADL and ACL produce group accounts with a deadline of the end of November and it was hoped to be reported to the November Committee.  The biggest risks were an increase in fees and charges with a large share in this area.  The Council had a large number of investment properties and a very large liability the pension fund.  They would be looking at governance, economy, efficiency and effectiveness and the recommendations.


During questions the following areas arose:


·  Was the external auditor focussing on other areas of risk, other than the commercial estate (Cllr Furse).  It was confirmed that the external auditor looked across the board at all the competencies

·  As regards asset valuation (John Barker), there was a caveat if values were uncertain and infrastructure was in place to ensure valuations were appropriate

·  Was there an impact on BANES with high property values due to being a heritage city (John Barker)?  An enormous amount of time was spent on land and assets due to the complexity in the Council.  Over half of local authority audits were not yet signed off.


In respect of the Avon Pension Fund there was 59 million materiality as it was a massive fund.  The audit would be prioritised so completed by July/August and being submitted to the September meeting.


During questions the following matters arose:


·  The Section 151 Officer Andy Rothery explained the employer contributions were 17% with an added 5% into the fund.  The figures were performing well.  There was a valuation every 3 years.  As at 31/3/22 it was well over 90% but there was risk around inflation (Service Director – Commercial and Governance Jeff Wring)

·  What happened if the fund reached 100% funded (Cllr Elliott)?  Decisions would be made by the Cabinet Member and through the Committee process.


On a motion from Councillor Andy Furse, seconded by Councillor Brian Simmons it was


RESOLVED that the audit plans for the Council and Avon Pension Fund be endorsed.





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Peter Barber (Grant Thornton) presented the report which was submitted annually.


During discussion the following comments were made:


·  The pension fund column which referred to the year 2021-2022 was not impacted by compliance with ESG and COP 26 (John Barker).  It would not impact until later years

·  Whether there were any levelling-up bids for new resources (John Barker).


RESOLVED to note the Council response to informing the audit risk assessment questions.




The Head of Audit and Assurance (Andy Cox) presented the report and outlined the headlines that 29 out of 36 audits were largely complete.  Of the remaining 7, 4 would be undertaken in 2022-23 and following re-assessment of the risks there was no further work with the other 3.  He referred to the headlines for the financial year 2021-22; the assurance ratings for the core planned audits in 2021-22 providing the Committee with a summary of two audits – IT patch management and IT asset management, where a Level 2 Assurance Level had been awarded; and summarised investigations, whistleblowing, counter fraud and corruption and unplanned work.


The Service Director – Commercial and Governance (Jeff Wring) explained he had to give his formal opinion on the Council’s Internal Control Framework.  Due to Covid 19 there was a different working environment with employees primarily working from home.  This impacted on evidence as some issues were not as visible as in the workplace and changed the risk picture.  There were advantages such as  saving time, with no travel and in some ways employees were more productive.

His opinion was that the Council’s internal control framework and systems to manage risk are reasonable.


The following issues were discussed during questions:


·  Increased use of Cashless systems since Covid 19 (Cllr Furse) changing the risk environment. This has required different approaches to fraud detection being adopted

An example of this was the Roman Baths but we had experienced this before Covid19 linked to the collection of Car parking income (Head of Audit and Assurance)

·  In reference to the 2 IT audits highlighted as ‘weak’ was this highlighting something going wrong in IT (Cllr Elliott).  The findings of the 2 Audits were linked to changes in the IT infrastructure of the Council with the move to remote working, e.g Patch Management - bandwidth at people’s homes had impacted on patch updates. Regarding IT asset management there were issues with the Asset Management Policy and the current insurance held by the Council did not cover cyber losses and this was to be subject to review and then consideration by  the IT steering group

·  Was there a need to reconcile the External Auditor’s ‘informing risk assessments’ with assurances in the patch management audit.  The External Auditor explained that they were not IT experts and in respect of patch management, they would not assess this specific IT risk.  The Service Director Commercial and Governance (Jeff Wring) explained that patch management IT controls were not of direct consideration in relation to those areas subject to External Auditor inquiries under auditing standards. The Council’s annual governance review would consider IT as an area of interest.


RESOLVED to note the internal audit annual report 2021/22 and formal opinion on the internal control framework.


INTERNAL AUDIT PLAN - 2022/2023 pdf icon PDF 205 KB

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The Head of Audit and Assurance (Andy Cox) presented the report asking the Committee to approve the Internal Audit Plan for 2022/23 and Internal Audit Charter 2022. 


The Internal Audit function is a component in the Council’s governance framework, a statutory requirement and linked with the responsibilities of the Section 151 Officer. 


In addition to the Core Audit reviews there was other work such as audit grant certification and fraud prevention / detection.


The Committee was consulted on the Plan in February and Members highlighted IT security, workforce and IT equipment risks requiring audit attention. 


The experience of the Covid 19 pandemic over the last two years has highlighted the  need to have an element of flexibility in the audit plan.  There would be a half-year review and statutory officers would be consulted if changes were required.


In respect of the Internal Audit Charter, the need to adopt a Charter is  a requirement of the Chief Audit Executive as per the Public Sector Internal Audit Standards.  The significant change this year is the Head of Audit & Assurance being recorded as the Chief Audit Executive. This was required to avoid a conflict of interest based on the responsibilities being taken on by the Service Director One West linked to of the retirement of the lead officer managing  the Avon Pension Fund.


On a motion from Councillor Andy Furse, seconded by Councillor Brian Simmons it was




1)  To approve the Internal Audit Plan for 2022/23; and

2)  To approve Internal Audit Charter 2022.